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Ireland-Britain travel will require passport

24 October 2007 | Ireland | 6 Responses by paul savage.

Plans are in place to end the Common Travel Area between Ireland and Britain, which has existed since the foundation of the State, and they hope to have it in place in 2009. A report from RTÉ says :

This means that anyone travelling between Ireland and Britain will need to carry a passport so that information about their movements will be available to authorities

This is all in an effort to track illegal immigrants and criminals as well as suspected terrorists moving between the two countries unnoticed. It has been mentioned that there are no plans to implement this between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland borders, due to technical implementation reasons. I wonder does that mean now that Ireland will join the Schengen Agreement? From Wikipedia:

The United Kingdom and Ireland are the only two EU members to not have signed the Schengen Agreement: both have an opt-out from the agreement. The two countries share a Common Travel Area with no border controls. Ireland is thus unable to join the agreement without dissolving this agreement with the UK, and thus incurring border controls at its land border with Northern Ireland

new measures for passport control

Do you think it is a good thing ? Is it about time we really were separated from England ?

6 Responses

  1. Louie @ Eire-Web Design said on 24 Oct 2007 at 3:43 pm

    for this reason:
    “This is all in an effort to track illegal immigrants and criminals as well as suspected terrorists moving between the two countries unnoticed.”

    yes I think is a good ideea, but the question is:

    Is this the real reason?

  2. Arnold said on 11 Nov 2007 at 8:30 pm

    I can’t really see it being a runner for Ireland to do anything different from the UK and vice versa from purely practical reasons.

    What would they propose doing if, say, someone flew from Belfast to London sans passport and then tried to fly back to Dublin? Such routing can be surprisingly common. Legally, they presumably would have to deport such a person. Would that mean a free flight back to Dublin courtesy of the UK Home Office? If so, let’s see if we can hurry them up with this!

    There’s also the matter of no passport being required to go to the various British islands (Channel Islands, Isle of Man and Gibraltar), most of which have flights to both the UK and Ireland and which together introduce numerous potential routings not currently requiring passports but with return flights which might.

    As usual with the UK Home Office, they have forgotten about 1) Northern Ireland and 2) European law. From the first there’s the obvious practical problem of a land border with Ireland which is as secure as a sieve ever since said border was created. From the second, it would be illegal for them to require European nationals to have a biometric ID card if British citizens didn’t also require one.

    Finally, there’s awkward sods like myself who would delight in screwing it all up by leaving on a British passport and arriving on an Irish one or vice versa.

  3. paul savage said on 12 Nov 2007 at 10:08 am

    Louie : who knows ?

    Arnold : I guess this will be something they will be working on over the next year. I think you could just check people coming into and leaving Ireland. That would help. And if you were flying to Channel Islands from England and leaving to fly to Ireland, that you would have to present your passport at both locations (like you have to do already for other countries).

    But Schengen is about removing the European land borders. Like you can go between Austria and Germany and no one will care. When you take a plane you still need to show ID, if you were flying between them. Now granted most people use their passport as ID, and they might accept your drivers license as one. So I guess this is like the anit-Schengen agreement.

  4. Arnold said on 12 Nov 2007 at 10:46 am

    Ah, but you couldn’t realistically check just Ireland. Neither the UK nor Ireland ever got around to tightening up the land border controls in the way that they were between, say, Italy and Yugoslavia in years gone by. Somehow, I just can’t see them doing it now.

    Also, you have the particular problem of Northern Ireland where a substantial proportion of the population are technically foreigners ie Irish. I think that it’s the only “country” where that is the case. This, of course, means that substantial numbers of people do travel to the UK with no passports every year.

    Schengen brings up other problems too. For instance, I was recently in Italy and the hotels there insist that you provide a passport if you’re an alien. However, it’s illegal to treat other European nationals as aliens so they’re breaking the law by doing so. Granted it was an airport hotel so most people would have passports but we actually drove there and didn’t.

    You can return home on a driving license if you’re flying. The reason why the airlines look for passports is as a proof that you have the right to be in the country they’re flying you to as they get fined (around £2000 I believe) if they bring someone who isn’t allowed in the country.

    The underlying problem is that neither the UK nor Ireland have compulsory ID cards which I think are in all the other European countries. I suspect that it’s this particular inconsistency that is underlying the issues noted in the original post.

  5. ann ditton said on 14 Jan 2008 at 4:41 pm

    i been a dubliner yes i do live in england i would like to see ireland been all irish so let see us have our 6 counties back please and tell me where can i get a real irish passport

  6. jeanette said on 29 Jan 2008 at 5:52 pm

    if the whole reason is as mentioned then surely it is a little irish to only half implement it. in order to achieve the supposed objection NI needs to be incorporated and monitored without doubt.

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